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   From: morpheal@sympatico.ca   
      
   Sylvia Else wrote:   
      
   > There is a theorem in mathametics (Goedel's incompleteness theorem) that   
   says that within any finite set of axioms, there are true statements that   
   cannot be proved, and false statements that cannot be disproved. Thus anyone   
   who believed what you said    
   was believed could not have been properly studying their mathematics.   
      
   Well said, as to your saying it and Goedel's saying it. That does not   
   prove Goedel correct, but I tend to agree with Goedel anyway even if he   
   cannot be proven or disproven on that theorem.   
      
   > What makes you think that just because you've plotted a course in five   
   > dimensions that travel along that course would be travel in time?   
      
   You can't, you need a suitable field generator to carry your ship along   
   the correct vector. The five dimensions are necessary to plot the   
   vector. Navigation.   
      
   > This whole talk about travel in dimensions comes from people who   
   > mistakenly believe that mathematical physics is saying something about   
   > what's really out there. It doesn't do that. All it is is a way of   
   > predicting the results of experiments. Nothing more.   
      
   Well, said, but stretching the truth slightly. It is descriptive as   
   is any language. However the representation is no more the Truth than   
   is the perception that is being represented.   
      
   Now, the practical validity of what is described, predicted as to   
   relations among what is perceived,... is what you are saying. Yes.   
      
   Now that you have proven you are in fact an intelligent life form,   
   would I find you attractive to have sex with ?  What do you think ?   
      
   I need to know.   
      
   Also, are you licensed to carry a firearm and do you sleep with it under   
   your pillow at night ?  I also need to know that. For other reasons.   
      
   R.M.   
      
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