XPost: alt.magick, alt.magick.virtual-adepts
"Robert Scott Martin" wrote in message
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>
> In article <49e7402a$0$5626$e4fe514c@dreader20.news.xs4all.nl>,
> bassos wrote:
>
>>Never played the actual game.
>
> Funny stories there. At the time I was actually really disappointed with
> it, took offense.
Interesting.
From what i read about it, the white wolf series where kinda popular.
> Water under the bridge but water can remember, apparently.
Is that merely an analogy for :
god being also everything, simply experiences all ?
(as in everything is alive and sentient to a degree)
> The memory of what magick looked like a generation ago in the
> analog days.
Today i turned 33.
Dangerous age if jesus is any example :)
Definately a dangerous (heh) age to tell on alt.magick.
Then again, what better way for solve.
>>Learning by merely reading what is posted + what is linked and forming
>>questions based on that, which are subsequently answered was for me a very
>>nice way to get into magick.
>
> And now here we are in this noteworthy absence of personal histories, the
> am.
Yep.
Already destroying that, no worries.
>>> Alchemy has something in common with fishing."
>>
>>Patience with distracting factors ?
>
> And an ability to work with external materials and situations. To roll
> with a poetic occasion, savor the accident.
Perhaps i should let the whole boring part of fishing go.
Ever the fool.
> No accidents in a vacuum.
That completely depends on how you define accident and vacuum :)
(just love it that you give me such yummy stuff to distract me from other
stuff)
>>When shit is turned into triple a rating stuff.
>
> This is the central question the storm poses. Will shit rise to AAA or
> will treasury melt into shit -- which is live and which is memorex --
> where paper leaves off and gold begins. Achilles and the tortoise are
> racing: if one wins, good [money] will flush out bad, technology will
> triumph, utopia. If the other wins, the bad [money] chokes the system,
> crash. Turtles all the way down. The race never ends until somebody takes
> a short cut off the track.
Banks are moving in for global domination.
America is now openly discussing what has been arranged over the years.
(replace the dollar)
It is not really too late, cos it cannot ever be.
Perhaps there is even a chance people will wake up and actually change.
(trauma and engines and initiation and such :P)
No telling what will happen.
(or it would be spoilers :P)
>>Still the one starter question of why an economy has to grow like cancer
>>does, instead of reaching homeostasis like nature does, is something i
>>bring
>>up now and then.
>
> Not sure I know that nature; at the moment everything is expanding and the
> aethyr of [money] reflects those conditions.
Ah, you want to look up close, ok.
(just remember that before we discuss this, i was not talking about close
up, i was talking globally)
> The equilibrium -points- in a new direction and that representation "out
> of this world" is itself
> inflationary. There just happens to be something instead of nothing, as it
> were.
You seem to be describing spiralling.
Not so much lack of homeostasis.
Or is it here your contention, that we can only get to something
homeostatic-like by being out of control ?
(note that that homeostasis is not stagnation, but harmony)
Loads of writers have claimed that evolution has to be pushed from the
outside to make anything happen, or complacency will set in.
It is very well possible that they understand the average human mindset
better than i do.
(i simply turn a blind eye to loads of things and retell them as neccesary
steps)
My suggestion about homeostasis does indeed look like it could lead to
complacency.
Don't change a winning team,
if it aint broken, don't fix it.
Etc, etc.
I see how the harmony could lead to that.
There is a neccesary minimum for it to have any chance.
That minimum consists of people doing what they have chosen.
Working somewhere because, well, working is interesting.
Studying something because they enjoy the act of studying said subject.
Doing stuff cos stuff is worth doing, all by itself.
I guess that looks quite socialistic.
Perhaps i should couch it in kapitalistic terms.
Like : do what Thou wilt is the hole of the law.
> Of course it remains to be seen whether the cosmological is indeed
> constant.
There is only now, so yes.
> Saddle-shaped economies. Toroidal economies.
Abolish money.
(well, that is more end-game play)
> Steady-state or punctuated-equilibrium economies, sure.
That begs the question, what kind of economy is alt.magick ?
> The Big Bang is one of the few things that even the Dawkinsites and the
> creationists take as a shared article of faith. I find that interesting
> and almost poignant.
Big bang is inside the dichotomy.
> There were three schools of magick, the white, the black and the yellow.
What happened to them ?
Turned into brown ?
>>The hanged man is the symbol of the boddhisatva.
>>Returned to hell with a smile for getting to carry a body again.
>>
>>Now what part in the alchemagical process does this describe ?
>
> This is one of those areas where I break from the crowley.
It is not crowley that wrote my stuff :)
> His work is exclusively heliocentric
Horus :)
And he missed it, i mean, how funny is that ?
> the idea that the adept consciousness is within
> and identified with the sun and so the sacrificial formula is obsolete,
The sun is within.
It is like everything else, just a part though.
(although quite noisy compared to our planet)
What is this adept conscioussness you speak of ?
> whereas the hanged man acknowledges that here on earth there will always
> be shadows and separations as we move. (Y sin embargo se mueve!)
We are but shadows after all.
Making reflections in some garments.
> On the one hand I'm told it is never dark in space.
Depends on viewpoint.
> On the other hand I'm told it is terribly dark in space.
Same.
> On the third hand the sun is a yellow star, and so it goes.
Nothing moves faster than light they say.
They are wrong, when the light goes out to travel, the darkness is already
there to greet it.
(stole it from someone, dunno who, and prolly not an exact quote)
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