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   Message 273 of 331   
   Robert Scott Martin to purestdeformity@hotmail.com   
   Re: What Evidence Do You Need To Believe   
   28 Sep 10 19:41:55   
   
   XPost: alt.magick   
   From: glass@panix.com   
      
   In article ,   
   Absorbed   wrote:   
      
   >I wouldn't say you're trolling. Trolling yourself, maybe. Depends what   
   >you want to get out of posting here, I guess.   
      
   That's the best question of all.   
      
   We might slag the old newsgroup, but as old and occasionally frail as it   
   has become, it is still the most eclectic and highest-level open forum in   
   its field. What I mean by that is that there are plenty of web forums and   
   email groups, but they devolve into mutual appreciation societies of one   
   form or another.   
      
   One of the problems with mutual appreciation societies is that they are   
   often specialized in focus. All they care about is "our" jargon, "our"   
   club, the way "we" do things or imagine that they are done. These groups   
   tend to die off.   
      
   Historically, alt.magick avoided this sterile overspecialization by   
   focusing on the broadest mix of topics and types of discussion.   
   Participants were free to share what they liked and learn from people with   
   very different -- and even back then, often unique -- backgrounds and   
   training.   
      
   This cross-fertilization was the newsgroup's greatest gift to the theory &   
   practice of magick and still sets it well above everything else out there.   
      
   I like to bring things back to the newsgroup from my travels. There are   
   ways we could frame this in alchemical terms, but I'm resisting that right   
   now. The point is that in honor of the newsgroup's historical function as   
   a sort of "melting pot" of esoteric themes -- at a moment when you could   
   argue global communication was at its peak -- I like to bring a few   
   ingredients back to add to the pot.   
      
   These things may be old or new. Usually they are a weird mix because my   
   life is a weird mix of things and that's just the kind of stuff I have   
   available to me. I am also trying to seed the newsgroup with things that   
   would have intrigued or stimulated me as a boy. I am also thinking of   
   children of the future, in the unlikely event that they one day decide to   
   comb through the usenet archive for bizarre retro thrills. In a sense   
   this is a time-travel experiment.   
      
   You might find the stuff impenetrable, indigestible or just pretentious.   
   That's fine. While I usually understand most of what I'm throwing into the   
   newsgroup, I rarely get all the meaning out of it on the first reading --   
   or even in the first few years. Alt.magick is in many ways the cooking   
   vessel in which these observations need to simmer before they reveal their   
   real value (if any). To repeat for clarity, it is the "melting pot."   
      
   Naturally, this is not "debate," what I am doing. I will not belabor this   
   point with a long discussion of magical weapons, but I am not about the   
   sword. I am about the burin. This means I just etch this stuff into the   
   newsgroup and it's up to the reader to cut (or chew) it back into   
   manageable bites. Everyone can bite off whatever they can chew, or else   
   leave it in the pot to tenderize, as it were.   
      
   Occasionally the newsgroup does unearth an "advanced practitioner,"   
   by which I mean someone truly weird and exciting. (Who cares what kind   
   of rank or grade they claim? That's not the alt.magick way.) Many of these   
   people have gone on to other vistas -- online, offline and "way offline"   
   -- over the years, but maybe the lost ones will check in from time to   
   time. And maybe the newsgroup has the potential to generate more down the   
   road. This is not a teaching order, but arguably it has a society of   
   alumni to weigh in, reminisce and occasionally help out.   
      
   Am I deluded? Quite possibly! I have to admit I've been too busy over the   
   last decade to fantasize too much about anyone's motives, especially mine!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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