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   Message 163 of 230   
   Nyssa to Ubiquitous   
   Re: MSNBC Guest Claims White People Stol   
   21 Feb 24 18:39:00   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.tv, soc.culture.african.american, alt.non.racism   
   From: Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net   
      
   Ubiquitous wrote:   
      
   > An MSNBC guest claimed on Monday that white people had   
   > stolen every form of music in existence — with the   
   > exception of classical music — from black people.   
   >   
   > “The Daily Show” correspondent Dulce Sloan weighed in on   
   > the topic, responding to critics who had suggested   
   > Beyonce’s upcoming country album — after a lengthy career   
   > in hip hop and pop music — was a step outside her   
   > proscribed lane.   
   >   
   > WATCH:   
   >   
   > MSNBC guest: "If White people hated cultural   
   > appropriation, then they shouldn't have created music.   
   > Because every form of music in America was stolen from   
   > Black people." pic.twitter.com/wysQqDTLaf   
   >   
   > — TheBlaze (@theblaze) February 19, 2024   
   >   
   > The host of the show joked that the conservatives   
   > complaining about Beyonce’s foray into country were just   
   > proving that people on the Right actually were not in   
   > favor of “cultural appropriation.”   
   >   
   > “But black people have always been a part of folk and   
   > country music,” he continued, turning the question over to   
   > Sloan. “You want to weigh in on that?”   
   >   
   > “If white people hated cultural appropriation, then they   
   > shouldn’t have created music,” Sloan said. “Because every   
   > form of music in America was stolen from black people:   
   > rock’n’roll, jazz, blues, country, pop music. So if you   
   > have a problem with cultural appropriation — y’all created   
   > classical music, y’all could have stuck with that …”   
   >   
   > “Roll the piano into this concert,” Sloan continued in   
   > mocking tones, claiming that white people — and   
   > conservatives — only had an issue with cultural   
   > appropriation when the thing being appropriated was   
   > something they liked or wanted to be associated with.   
   >   
   > “As dumb as this is, let’s just say she’s right,” one   
   > person responded via X. “Fine. We’ll give up performing   
   > rock & roll and she can give up indoor plumbing, the   
   > printed word, cell phones, and wheeled transportation.”   
   >   
   > As dumb as this is, let’s just say she’s right.   
   >   
   > Fine. We’ll give up performing rock & roll and she can   
   > give up indoor plumbing, the printed word, cell phones,   
   > and wheeled transportation. https://t.co/9rqnNdxkth   
   >   
   > — Tandy (@dantypo) February 20, 2024   
   >   
   > “Here’s the issue with this. They take something that is   
   > an irrefutable fact (the foundations of American popular   
   > music comes from Black Americans) and then mix it with   
   > some bulls*** (every form of music in America was   
   > ‘stolen’). I can’t believe I have to say this in 2024 but   
   > ITS NOT A BAD THING THAT WHITE PEOPLE CONSUME OUR   
   > CONTENT,” Darvio Morrow commented.   
   >   
   > “Yes there have been issues with the music industry   
   > robbing Black artists, obscenely so during the Rock and   
   > Roll era. And I’ve already laid out how the INDUSTRY stole   
   > rock music from Black folks. But you can’t blame the whole   
   > country for the practices of the entertainment industry.   
   > That was the industry, not the people,” he continued. “The   
   > audience never stopped loving our music. I view our   
   > immense contributions to American popular music and   
   > culture as a point of pride. The number one genre of music   
   > in the country TODAY is Black music (Hip-Hop/R&B). To take   
   > something we should celebrate and bash the country with it   
   > is so stupid and counterproductive.”   
   >   
   > Here’s the issue with this. They take something that is an   
   > irrefutable fact (the foundations of American popular   
   > music comes from Black Americans) and then mix it with   
   > some bullsh*t (every form of music in America was   
   > “stolen”). I can’t believe I have to say this in 2024 but   
   > ITS… https://t.co/MSt3No1xKC   
   >   
   > — Darvio Morrow (@DTheKingpin) February 20, 2024   
   >   
   > Despite the furor, Beyonce’s “Texas Hold ‘Em” — a single   
   > released during the Super Bowl alongside “16 Carriages,”   
   > both from her upcoming album — has already rocketed to the   
   > top of the Billboard Country chart, making the Destiny’s   
   > Child alum the first black woman to have a number 1 single   
   > on the country chart.   
   >   
   > As for the roots of American country music? According to   
   > John McEuen of The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, it camae from   
   > everywhere: “Country music wasn’t called that yet, but it   
   > was music of the country. It was a combination of the   
   > Irish; the recently freed slaves, bringing the banjo into   
   > the world; the Spanish effects of the vaqueros down in   
   > Texas; the Germans bringing over the ‘oom-pah’ of polka   
   > music, all converging.”   
   >   
      
   Classical music has been appropriated too.   
      
   Since last year, the classical music channel on SiriusXM   
   has been making a point of playing music from a limited   
   list of black classical-style composers, especially   
   Florence Price who hits the daily double with being   
   both black and female. Another frequent black composer   
   heard is William Grant Sill. And occasionally Scott   
   Joplin (who would be more appropriate on one of the   
   several Jazz channels).   
      
   Oh, and they've also moved the Met Opera channel to   
   streaming only, but still feature an opera on the   
   Symphony Hall channel on Saturday afternoons. Instead   
   of the usual Wagner, last week's opera segment featured   
   an opera titled "The Life of Malcolm X."   
      
   Good thing I've got plenty of music on CDs and vinyl.   
      
   Nyssa, who wonders if this is a flash in the pan or   
   a permanent trend   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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